Posts by Lost in the fog

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Secret Societies involved at the very top of the Org

by Formerbrother in

are all the gb members past and present, part of skulls and bones and other masonic secret societies?

we know the first few top brass were, like br rutherford and br russel.. they all have several expensive watches.

like literally more than one for everyday of the week, rolex and omega, where did they come from?

Lost in the fog

Going back to the question of expensive Rolex watches and gold bling for a moment - - - how can you square it up with their alleged Vow of Poverty and Obedience?

Quote : W17, April, pages 3-8, paragraph 19. "Currently, there are some 67,000 members of the Worldwide Order of Special Full-Time Servants of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Some perform Bethel service, others engage in construction or in circuit work, serve as field instructors or special pioneers or missionaries or as Assembly Hall or Bible school facility servants. They are all bound by a “Vow of Obedience and Poverty,” with which they agree to do whatever is assigned to them in the advancement of Kingdom interests, to live a simple lifestyle, and to abstain from secular employment without permission. It is not the people but their assignments that are viewed as special. They realize the seriousness of humbly living up to their solemn vow for as long as they remain in special full-time service."

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GDPR Query

by Lost in the fog in

i know that there's been a lot posted about this already but i wanted to ask if anyone knew if the wts was in breach of the information commissioner's office (uk) directive or am i misunderstanding something.

the ioc give a list of requirements with regards to charities and in part it says .

that consent is not a precondition for the service provided.

Lost in the fog

I know that there's been a lot posted about this already but I wanted to ask if anyone knew if the WTS was in breach of the information commissioner's office (UK) directive or am I misunderstanding something.

The IOC give a list of requirements with regards to charities and in part it says

that consent is not a precondition for the service provided.

The WTS in their instructions to the elders say that not giving consent means

that the congregation will not be able to evaluate the person's suitability for certain activities; and it also excludes them from being recorded in congregation meetings.

Does this contradict the IOC or not?

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GDPR: Get your data from the UK Branch now, before 25-May-2018

by Fay Dehr in

get your data from the uk branch now, before gdpr kicks in on 25-may-2018.

use this free template letter, which has been tried and tested.

under uk law they can (and will) delay their reply if you miss out any of the important points in the template letter - for example they are allowed to ask for "costs" from you (£10 is an established fee in the data industry), or if you fail to prove your identity by means of passport or driver's license.

Lost in the fog

Fey Dehr,

If the ico details are being held by the IBSA, why does the pro-forma you provide not go to them?

I get confused by all the organisations within the Society's organisation.

Can you advise please?

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You MUST Sign the Data Collection Form "...obey...whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.¨"

by gone for good in

the many and complex issues surrounding the collection of person data and new laws aiming to protect individuals control of their own privacy, seem to have hatched about the same time as the governing body expressed their hope that it´s own 8 million would obey their order to "sign this form" effectively transfering total authority over privacy and data issues over to the borg.. what are your thoughts on this coincidence?.

zuckerberg lost billion$$ when people realized that he had prostituted their personal data and now wt wants the same signed access that he had to info that is $$$.... wt already owns all the real estate and now wants to own all the data.... it´s a current and global issue - please share your thought with the rest of us here.. .

Lost in the fog

But what about the prohibition on answering up where the meetings are streamed, wouldn't that mean any PIMOs would be silenced and stopped from saying anything? Isn't that almost like outing them publicly to the rest of the congregation?

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Selling off their London Properties.

by Lost in the fog in

having sold off their brooklyn properties for $$$$ the watchtower society is doing the same thing with their properties in london, england.

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http://ibsaproperty.com .

Lost in the fog

Having sold off their Brooklyn properties for $$$$ the Watchtower Society is doing the same thing with their properties in London, England.

http://ibsaproperty.com

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GDPR: Get your data from the UK Branch now, before 25-May-2018

by Fay Dehr in

get your data from the uk branch now, before gdpr kicks in on 25-may-2018.

use this free template letter, which has been tried and tested.

under uk law they can (and will) delay their reply if you miss out any of the important points in the template letter - for example they are allowed to ask for "costs" from you (£10 is an established fee in the data industry), or if you fail to prove your identity by means of passport or driver's license.

Lost in the fog

Purrpurr

What if you began your letter with a sentence along the lines of "one of our congregation elders has encouraged me to make this request from you."

This way pimo people would appear to be acting on a request from within the congregation and not off their own bat.

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JW's Blow Their Own Trumpet Each Month

by The Fall Guy in

w06 12/1 p. 27 par.

11 what it means to love our neighbor - “jesus commissioned his followers to preach and to teach and to “make disciples of people of all the nations.” by our participation in this work, we show love for......... neighbor.”.

by recording the number of hours of “love” shown to neighbours each month in their monthly report slip, aren't jw's in reality doing what christ said not to do?.

Lost in the fog

I always thought that you would be a good Christian 24/7. I could never understand reports.

We used to have an opinionated pioneer sister who insisted that her pioneer school said that they could count time for doing good works. So she'd help older people across the road, buy groceries for her elderly neighbours and then report it as witnessing because she always told the people she helped that is what she was. Hours easily got.

The one that I used to point out was that a parent who studied with the children could count 1 hour, 1 study, and 1 return visit. The question box in the Kingdom Ministry of the time in fact said that was what could be reported EVEN THOUGH it was recognised that parents spent many more hours teaching the truth to their children. So why limit it on a paper report? The whole thing is plain nuts.

I still reckon most people just make it up at the end of the month rather than be classed inactive. In fact, some nights there would be an announcement from the platform that all reports had to be in that night to meet the date for mailing - and publishers would lift the report slip and from memory fill in their month's details. From memory! Hahaha. Can you remember what you were doing 30 or 31 days ago and every day since? 🤔 😂

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A Jehovah Witness is....

by Vanderhoven7 in

this is not exactly a new topic, but bears repeating anyway:.

a jehovah's witness (non-anointed) is a person:.

a. who is not born of the spirit of god (spirit begotten) and therefore cannot see/inherit the kingdom of god.. b. who has not been justified by the blood of christ.. c. who is not part of the new covenant.. d. who has no personal mediator.. e. who is bereft of a heavenly hope.. f. who cannot come unto jesus christ when troubled or have commune i.e.

Lost in the fog

It's interesting that you have listed some things that I was thinking about recently.

The usual claim by the witnesses is that everything they believe is Bible-based. I used to think that it was so, and told people that it was so.

Then you start thinking, where in the Bible are month end field service reports? Where does it say that your church is called a Kingdom Hall? Where does it say that you shouldn't take the memorial emblems? And once you start pulling on that little thread then the whole garment starts to unravel...

The sad fact is that the GB know it otherwise they would have called their book What The Bible Teaches, and not inserted the word Really into the title. Because it implies that JWs have been shown a secret Bible hidden away from the rest of the world. And everyone gets curious about secrets and want to know more. And then they get caught up with the organisation.

I have always, even when I was an elder in the sad old days, had a personal library of books by other religious groups and organisations. Everything from Thomas Merton to the Dalai Lama. My mind is always open to fresh ideas. And as I had to attend the funerals of my staff on behalf of the management team I got to go to many different churches and hear the services. Whereas the average JW wouldn't go into a church even if it was a fine architectural building. Guess it all contributed to my waking up.

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W5 Canadian TV show. March 24 2018. JW and sexual abuse.

by arwen in

w5 on now in canada.

taking about the arc.

and other things.

Lost in the fog

https://www.ctvnews.ca/w5/sex-abuse-survivors-allege-coverup-by-jehovah-s-witnesses-for-failing-to-report-assaults-1.3854274

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Help Elders poking nose in

by Formerbrother in

jw
friends

what can i do when elders want to poke their nose in?.

they want to have another chat with me and my wife, but we dont want to, it just gets us down..

Lost in the fog

About 3 years ago we had a CO and an elder turn up unexpectedly on our doorstep. "We just thought we'd give you a shepherding call when we are in the area," said the elder.

So I said directly to the CO that I understood shepherding calls had to be scheduled with the individuals in advance. He agreed. I said so why hadn't they done it. Still, said the elder, since they were here maybe they could just step inside anyway.

To that I said no. It didn't suit as we were busy. But I hoped they'd have more success on their next call. After looking one to the other, they turned away and left.

That is the last time a CO plus elder has come back to our house, even when we see through the window that they are visiting other JWs who live very close by us.